When I left Windows for the Macintosh years ago, there was one thing I didn’t count on: there are no good personal finance programs available for the Mac.
Yes, there’s Quicken 200x, and I tried it for six months (and have looked carefully at every version when released, including the latest minimum-changes-required 2006). But, it’s a pale reflection of its PC version, and is kind of old and clunky to boot: it clearly has “OS9 port” and “1998 feature set” written all over it. Which is too bad—Mac users deserve better.
Now, it’s very possible to do a good job with a program that was originally written for OS9: see BBEdit, for example. (Hi, Rich!) And while I’m a big Cocoa fan, Carbon isn’t the problem—there are plenty of ugly, clunky Cocoa applications. The problem is that Quicken is old and under-featured, especially when compared to similar applications on Windows.
So, I’m stuck with a boat anchor: Microsoft Money.
For years (1985-1999 or so) I used Quicken, starting with Quicken for DOS (I was actually one of the testers, way back, and I’m even in the manual for one of those old versions). But, around 1999, Microsoft got serious about making Money decent, while, at the same time, Intuit lost its way. When my Quicken database got corrupted one time too many, I jumped ship.
Money’s actually a pretty darn good program, and while I have various quibbles with some of the recent choices they’ve made—it’s pretty clear that much of their charter is to drive people to the MSN Money site, and the designers have never tried to use Money on a computer with a less than 1024x780 screen (they’ve surrounded everything in the last two versions with so much blank & wasted space it’s driving me insane)—I’ve been happy with it. Its investing tools work well (the portfolio view is excellent), the bill functionality is good, as is budgeting and the various other things I do. And, the Small Business Edition does a reasonable job of printing invoices and the like when I need to do that.
Its only problem: it’s not available for the Mac. So, I keep a PC around (at present, a Motion Computing LS800 Tablet PC), to check out what’s going on in that world (I’ve always been interested in Pen-based computers), and to keep Money running.
(Of course, I can’t just run Money. This is Windows: I also need a huge fleet of anti-virus, firewall, anti-spyware and other programs. Whee.)
So you gotta do what you gotta do: the ship sails on, dragging its anchor behind it. But, mostly, it’s a good ship, Macintosh.
24 Aug 2005 at 07:41 am | #
So what you’re saying is that there is a great big hole in the market for Mac applications. Hmmmm, I wonder what an entrepeneurial developer should do?
24 Aug 2005 at 08:07 am | #
Examine the barriers to entry first, of course! (This kind of package isn’t trivial, as you might expect. But, beyond that, there are external factors—like banks, and e-banking—that might stymie even the best...)
That said, I’d love to see the niche get filled—or, at least, get more competitive!
25 Aug 2005 at 05:12 am | #
i share your frustration with the quicken “for mac” products ... they leave so much to be desired, even “simply” transfering files from quicken for windows over to the mac product takes so much darn work with a lot of stuff not transfered over that it just is not worth it to me. have you tried using virtual pc on the mac and load quicken/money on that? that way you wouldn’t need to keep the anti-virus/spam firewall stuff (if it’s only connecting for your financial connections).
25 Aug 2005 at 07:29 am | #
Interestingly, I did run Money under Virtual PC for a while. The speed was OK, but the big problem was that, if you don’t take precautions, crashes of your Mac (power loss, kernel panic, etc) will cause your entire Virtual PC image to be irretrievably corrupted.
You can avoid this, sort of, by using Undoable Drives, but you still lose everything up until your last drive merge (and, if the crash happens during a merge you—once again—lose the entire drive).
After this happened to me a number of times, and didn’t get fixed in version-after-version of Virtual PC, I gave up. Since my financial data is “mission critical”, I decided it wasn’t worth the chance, and use a real PC instead.
(You do, though, need to use AntiVirus/AntiWhatever even with Virtual PC: if that puppy is connected to the Internet, and it is for e-transactions, it’s just not worth taking the chance. Not that it’s any guarantee, but at least it’s insurance.)
25 Aug 2005 at 02:19 pm | #
Interestingly enough I just ran across a competitor to Quicken at http://www.iggsoftware.com/index.php They are about to release a new version of iBank. You might want to take a look.
Dave
25 Aug 2005 at 02:29 pm | #
Thanks, Dave. At first blush, it doesn’t seem to have online integration or extensive investment tools…
25 Aug 2005 at 03:33 pm | #
Some folks like Checkbook
http://www.splasm.com/products/productcheckbook.html
I haven’t tried it yet.
25 Aug 2005 at 05:36 pm | #
Thanks for the suggestion, Mark. Much like iBank, this mostly focuses on being a simple checkbook register. I’m really looking for something more full features: something that works off and online, downloads transactions from my bank, brokerages and credit card companies, and does a good job with investment and investment reporting.
Quicken works reasonably well as a checkbook, actually. And it does download transactions from (some) banks, etc. It’s the investing side—and the UI side—where it fails. (And it’s quite stripped back, too—as are these other packages. That’s often a good thing, but not in this case, I don’t think!)
25 Aug 2005 at 11:24 pm | #
ok, so virtual pc can crash ... here’s where SuperDuper! comes in ... i run say either Quicken or Money, and have the files that I use located on a mapped folder, which is just my Documents folder in OSX; back that guy up nightly with SuperDuper! along with the Virtual PC drive ... and that seems to take care of any potential loss. since i use the Virtual PC really only to syncronize with my Bank/Broker, I use the SP2 firewall and use the latest version of ClamXav that has Sentry looking at the Quicken/Money folder in my Documents folder to make sure that no viruses come through the Virtual PC.
Yeah, it’s a bit convoluted, but it’s a temporary solution until someone fills this market nitch.
29 Aug 2005 at 03:04 pm | #
Hi, Steve. Yeah, I tried to use VPC to do this, I really did. But, it was—in the end—easier, faster and safer to use a “real” PC, even with lots of backing up, etc.
(Of course, I access it, for the most part, on the Mac using RDC!)
But, yeah; I’d love to see this niche filled. I’m just not holding my breath: Intuit has had a lot of time to improve their offering, and I don’t see Microsoft porting Money. And, as I’ve mentioned above, the barrier to entry is pretty high: it’s easy to write a little checkbook application, but to do a full-featured one requires a substantial commitment and a lot of clout.
05 Sep 2005 at 04:19 pm | #
I’ve never used it but Moneydance might be worth a look.
05 Sep 2005 at 04:39 pm | #
Yep, I’ve looked at it. Alas, while one of the best of the alternatives, it’s not even up to the level of Mac Quicken, let alone the PC equivalents…
12 Sep 2005 at 11:16 am | #
Guys - I switched from Quickbooks to MYOB FirstEdge, mainly ‘cause Intuit wouldn’t give me an upgrade price when I wanted to go from the Windows to the OSX version. MYOB FE (sort of the equivalent of Quicken) is cheaper and not bad. The next step up is more Quickbooks like.
22 Sep 2005 at 06:02 pm | #
I have the same issue ... I just bought a PowerMac (which I love) ... and I am not sure what to do about Quicken. I use Home and Business for Windows ... for simple invoicing, investing, and personal banking. I really don’t need a fully functional Quickbooks (though I hear that is groovy) ... but that is the only invoicing option I have on the Mac. Which means I need the $300 quickbooks, plus the $70 Quicken ... and, I have seen Quicken, at least, for the Mac and it is yucky.
Is Quickbooks any better ? My PC is a two-year old laptop that is so over-burdened with firewalls, anti-virus, and spyware protection software that it takes the better part of the morning for it to boot. I am thinking about reinstalling everything from factory standards, updating NOTHING on it, and not running any security software (just backing up data often). My father re-installed his PC recently and did NOT update anything (windows or otherwise) and his continues to run smoothly. Only when he updated did it have trouble.
Sigh. C’mon Quicken. Please step up ... for now, though, I think I am going to stay with my PC setup. I might try to use Quickbooks NUE (which came for free) to start doing invoices and see how I like it.
D
22 Sep 2005 at 06:21 pm | #
I’d love to give you a thumbs up for QB, but it suffers from the same deficiencies as Quicken/Mac, unfortunately. Whether it’ll work for you depends a lot on your needs—you should at least check out the NUE and see what you think.
24 Sep 2005 at 09:30 am | #
Yea, I need some time to sit down and start playing with it. I just need invoice tracking, mostly. And reporting ... but that is about it. That’s why the Home/Business suite was (shall we say) sweet. Just simple stuff for me.
Ta